Play Dynamic
When I think of that "smooth Vinnie sound", I think of great sounding drums that also respond well to great "rebound" technique and in an environment where you can hear all of the subtle stuff in your playing. In other words you're relaxed because you can hear everything you're doing without beating your brains out.
Oh yeah and don't over-tighten the high-hat clutch.
get a gretsch. you'll sound just like vinnie.
DeepFried (and Frank) I take your point and I, on reflection shouldn't have worded my post in that manner so sorry if it offended....
You're right, it isn't wrong to aim high as it were and to set yourself limits on what is atainable, what I meant is that Vinnie is truly a one of a kind and a God in drumming, so it would IMO be pointless to try and emulate the guy.
I've no doubt that Frank will have his own sound, by the very fact that there is only one Frank! It's better to concentrate on developing that! Hope this clarifies.
Sometimes this comes if you've practiced on pillows too much which works for playing fast, but makes the sound thin when playing slowly.
BRILLIANT!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There are plenty of people with no musicality who still enjoy making noise on a kit. Not everyone wants to be a journeyman drummer. The student has to find out what is attainable for themself, developing a good touch is a reasonable goal if the person has talent.Forget licks, tricks and how fast your paradiddles are.
You don?t need to get the Vinnie mystic ability to be a great player. First of all you can never attain what the man plays like in 5 life times. Well maybe, there is human consciousness and the odds of that happening in this universe are impossible? but it happened. Anyhow, what would you do with his abilities if you attained some of what he can do. There are some incredible drummers out there with chops up the wazzoo but they are not gigging like Vinnie is. He can groove hard, read any music thrown at him, play any gig (almost), and just flat out entertain the imagination of the human mind. Just learn how to play great time and you will work. Don?t even think for a minute that you want to play like Vinnie. You can take like 10 great drummers and give them all the same intermediate groove to play and it will sound different. Every person spaces their notes in a different feel of time. Hey man keep it real. Remember my friend. Clocks can only measure the intervals of time. But not motion.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I don't know what level you're at or what you've studied so far, and there are a lot if different factors that go into a drummer's feel, but, one important factor, that's really a pretty advanced aspect of drumming is dynamic independence.Originally posted by frankw:
If I try playing paradiddles around the kit fast I sound not bad If I play paradiddles around the kit at a slower speed it sounds like sh*t. I just found out I don't have a good feel playing at different tempos. I can't play with a good feel just playing rudiments like paradiddles around the kit or just playing on the snare. I was using Vinnie as an example of what i'm trying to do. I guess I answered my own question BUT If anybody has advice of how to start playing with a better feel please let me know
All drummers study rhythmic independence, but not many really study dynamic independence, which really amounts to playing different accent lines with different limbs, or as David Garibaldi calls it - 2 level drumming - accents and ghost notes.
Garibaldi has it, so does Frank Briggs. For a good method book, check out Garibaldi's "Future Sounds." It's a challenge and it will change the way you play forever.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 28, 2005 10:30 PM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>
First of all I was using paradiddles as an example. i'm talking about hearing even strokes at any tempo and being proud of what i'm hearing weither on a camcorder or tape recorder. on one of Weckl's videos he said he used to bring a recorder on gigs. he thought he was wailing on the stage he gets off the stage and listens to his playing and it sounded nothing like what he thought he heard while playing. Weckl says everything sounded rushed or dragged. All i'm asking is what i can practice to smooth out my playing at any tempos. maybe paradiddles isn't the answer but what is. i don't think i will record myself right now because it's very discouraging to practice after i hear that sh*t
My dear wonderful sweet Mr Francis W. If you want that wonderful smooth percussive profiency try to meet Mr Colaiuta. Mr Colaiuta is a wonderful wonderful gentleman. Mr Collins and Mr Starky are also wonderful English gentleman. These wonderful percussive gentlemen can help your poor percussive performances.
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